1 00:00:22,150 --> 00:00:09,089 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,850 --> 00:00:24,830 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:31,790 --> 00:00:28,860 episode number 372 for the sixth of 4 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:31,800 December 2015 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:37,549 --> 00:00:35,130 you from Sydney Australia just back from 6 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:37,559 Newcastle just up the coast north of 7 00:00:42,890 --> 00:00:39,780 Sydney where last night I went to a 8 00:00:45,650 --> 00:00:42,900 Maynard special night may not the farce 9 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:45,660 awakens thank you to all the skeptics on 10 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:47,250 fans who turned up we had a really great 11 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:49,620 time Maynard showed some weed and 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:52,140 bizarre clips including some snippets 13 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:53,930 from the star wars holiday special 14 00:00:59,660 --> 00:00:57,180 mm-hmm what am excellent production that 15 00:01:01,940 --> 00:00:59,670 is and then we all enjoyed a special 16 00:01:04,130 --> 00:01:01,950 screening of the movie Spaceballs thanks 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:04,140 many nod that was a great night and keep 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:06,930 an eye out folks we'll see if we can get 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:09,690 main out to do some more special events 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:12,210 coming up but what's coming up on this 21 00:01:16,969 --> 00:01:15,090 week's episode of the skeptic zone we're 22 00:01:19,969 --> 00:01:16,979 going to kick off with an interview with 23 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:19,979 an old friend of mine the Skip doc dr. 24 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:23,430 Harriet hall now dr. Harriet hall has 25 00:01:28,070 --> 00:01:26,430 recently just last week I think put 26 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:28,080 online via the James Randi Educational 27 00:01:33,469 --> 00:01:31,560 Foundation their YouTube channel a 28 00:01:36,830 --> 00:01:33,479 series of 10 lectures about 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:36,840 science-based medicine but as it happens 30 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:40,290 most of the lectures concentrate on the 31 00:01:45,859 --> 00:01:43,950 pitfalls and the shortcomings and sort 32 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:45,869 of an analysis of many alternative 33 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:48,240 therapies in order to give one a better 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:50,280 understanding of what science-based 35 00:01:56,570 --> 00:01:53,130 medicine is there are links are coming 36 00:01:58,700 --> 00:01:56,580 up in the interview of dr. Hall and the 37 00:02:00,289 --> 00:01:58,710 best advice I can give you is after 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:00,299 listening to the skeptic zone today 39 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:01,770 tonight this evening this morning 40 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:03,960 whenever you're listening to it run to 41 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:05,880 the internet and check out this series 42 00:02:09,949 --> 00:02:08,580 of lectures by dr. Harriet hall more 43 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:09,959 about that coming up at the top of the 44 00:02:15,620 --> 00:02:12,870 show following that it's the raw skeptic 45 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:15,630 report with Heidi Robertson this week as 46 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:17,480 part of her series into 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:20,160 vaccine-preventable diseases Heidi will 48 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:23,970 tell us about meningococcal a very very 49 00:02:30,410 --> 00:02:27,750 serious disease indeed sadly people 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:30,420 still succumb to ninja kaka every year 51 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:32,970 how it is going to be discussing what it 52 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:33,430 is 53 00:02:38,869 --> 00:02:35,950 the symptoms to keep an eye out for and 54 00:02:41,009 --> 00:02:38,879 then she'll interview a survivor 55 00:02:43,289 --> 00:02:41,019 somebody who went through the horrors of 56 00:02:46,619 --> 00:02:43,299 meningococcal and came out the other 57 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:46,629 side what an interesting interview it is 58 00:02:50,759 --> 00:02:48,489 man what an interesting report all over 59 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:50,769 by Heidi Roberts and that's coming up a 60 00:02:53,729 --> 00:02:52,239 little bit later on in the show then we 61 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:53,739 have a week inside some of the Royal 62 00:02:59,780 --> 00:02:57,489 Institution of Australia w WR I a u.s. 63 00:03:02,369 --> 00:02:59,790 org a you what are the leading 64 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:02,379 scientific organizations in Australia 65 00:03:06,539 --> 00:03:04,750 then the round off the show yes its main 66 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:06,549 odd man out at Sydney's skeptics in the 67 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:09,370 pub asking the big question what should 68 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:11,980 you get a skeptic for Christmas what 69 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:13,720 should you get a skeptic for Christmas 70 00:03:17,339 --> 00:03:15,370 and thanks to Ross spouts from the 71 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:17,349 Brisbane skeptics society who is down 72 00:03:20,819 --> 00:03:19,120 here in city gave us a talk at sydney 73 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:20,829 skeptics in the pub we're going to be 74 00:03:26,099 --> 00:03:23,769 hearing an interview with Ross on the 75 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:26,109 next skeptics out next week so look out 76 00:03:30,629 --> 00:03:28,329 for that but this week may not chatting 77 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:30,639 to various pub goers about what they 78 00:03:35,789 --> 00:03:32,769 think a good Christmas present for 79 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:35,799 skeptics might be and don't forget 80 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:37,690 people in Sydney skeptics in the pub 81 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:40,209 first thursday of the month at the crown 82 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:42,190 hotel the corner of goldman elizabeth 83 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:45,280 streets and yes even in january even in 84 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:46,720 generally the first thursday in january 85 00:03:50,429 --> 00:03:48,250 we're going to have a skeptics in the 86 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:50,439 pub the best thing to do is to go to 87 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:52,180 meet up and check out the links there or 88 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:54,970 just turn up six o'clock first thursday 89 00:03:59,240 --> 00:03:57,040 of the month that always be some 90 00:04:02,129 --> 00:03:59,250 skeptics Tanner we had some great times 91 00:04:04,259 --> 00:04:02,139 this one with Ross giving a talk which 92 00:04:06,509 --> 00:04:04,269 was fascinating and afterwards oh yes 93 00:04:10,499 --> 00:04:06,519 the dreaded spoon bending came out and 94 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:10,509 people were what's the terms her half 95 00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:12,400 gobsmacked and half annoyed there's 96 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:14,319 usually what you get when you bend 97 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:16,570 spoons if you want to learn how to bend 98 00:04:21,029 --> 00:04:19,150 spoons that's the place to go but that's 99 00:04:23,939 --> 00:04:21,039 enough for me at the moment I'm going to 100 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:23,949 run downstairs open the fridge I'm going 101 00:04:31,409 --> 00:04:25,900 to have the classic soda water with ice 102 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:31,419 for a nice warm Sydney afternoon hmm 103 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:33,820 that doesn't sound too bad at all well 104 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:35,470 I'm doing that I hope you enjoy the 105 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:00,990 and joining me now on the line from 106 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:03,010 Washington State now there's a state ID 107 00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:05,050 like to visit one day and if I'm 108 00:05:09,540 --> 00:05:06,940 visiting Washington State I hope I can 109 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:09,550 visit the home of the skeptic dr. 110 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:11,680 Harriet hall joining me now hello 111 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:15,940 Harriet hello Richard hello so nice to 112 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:18,880 catch up with you I'm always pleased 113 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:20,530 want to think about you because I was 114 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:22,420 the very first person to interview you 115 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:26,550 for a podcast way back in 2007 I believe 116 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:29,560 that's right that was on that cruise to 117 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:32,290 Alaska yes the amazing adventure the the 118 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:34,030 amazing invention north to Alaska with 119 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:36,310 james randi you were there dr. Phil 120 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:37,960 Plait was there a host of other people 121 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:40,240 what it what a fun trip that was and we 122 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:41,800 sat down and we had a bit of a chat 123 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:43,450 because I was very interested in what 124 00:05:47,850 --> 00:05:46,000 you did in your background for the sake 125 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:47,860 of our listeners Harriet can you tell 126 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:51,220 our listeners of today of 2015 a little 127 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:54,910 bit about your background I'm a medical 128 00:05:59,310 --> 00:05:57,130 doctor oh is a specialist in family 129 00:06:01,470 --> 00:05:59,320 practice and I spent 20 years in the Air 130 00:06:04,110 --> 00:06:01,480 Force where I was a flight surgeon for 131 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:04,120 part of my career and I didn't start 132 00:06:08,850 --> 00:06:06,310 writing or investigating alternative 133 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:08,860 medicine until after I was retired wow 134 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:11,920 wow that that's quite impressive to to 135 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:13,750 have that full career then retire then 136 00:06:18,990 --> 00:06:16,300 almost start a completely different 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:19,000 career and this is something that's very 138 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:21,610 much held your interest for some time 139 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:23,530 now especially where all the time I've 140 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:26,170 known you now you've been involved and 141 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:27,520 the reason we're really chatting today 142 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:29,020 you've been involved with a series of 143 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:31,690 lectures which are up on the james randi 144 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:33,910 educational foundations youtube channel 145 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:36,730 and for those people wanting to have a 146 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:39,370 look at that just go to youtube.com / 147 00:06:44,430 --> 00:06:42,970 user / James Randi foundation one word 148 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:44,440 and you'll see those lectures come up 149 00:06:50,490 --> 00:06:47,950 it's a series of 10 lectures and it's a 150 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:50,500 it's interesting it's an interesting 151 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:52,660 angle you've taken really the lectures 152 00:06:57,210 --> 00:06:55,690 are about science-based medicine but as 153 00:06:59,880 --> 00:06:57,220 it turns out most 154 00:07:02,970 --> 00:06:59,890 the lectures cover alternative medicine 155 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:02,980 how does that work well I explained that 156 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:05,740 in the first lecture there there's 157 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:09,580 reason in my madness for one thing I 158 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:12,810 think the best way to understand about 159 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:14,950 to understand what science-based 160 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:17,890 medicine is is to understand what it 161 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:21,670 isn't if you think about it or if if you 162 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:24,820 don't understand things that are not 163 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:27,370 good science if you can't pick out the 164 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:30,070 flaws in a study that's not good science 165 00:07:34,590 --> 00:07:32,050 how could you ever be sure that 166 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:34,600 something was a flawed didn't have those 167 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:38,050 flaws and was good science and the other 168 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:42,610 reason is that a lot of the alternative 169 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:45,310 medicine modalities claim that they're 170 00:07:50,010 --> 00:07:47,560 based on science and they're not and I 171 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:50,020 wanted people to understand what's wrong 172 00:07:54,570 --> 00:07:52,810 with their claims it's a very good point 173 00:07:57,390 --> 00:07:54,580 because especially a lot of the people I 174 00:07:59,490 --> 00:07:57,400 run into in the famous mind body spirit 175 00:08:01,440 --> 00:07:59,500 or mind-body wallet festivals will claim 176 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:01,450 that their modality no matter how 177 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:03,370 far-fetched and crazy it appears to us 178 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:06,250 they'll claim it's it's science or its 179 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:08,440 emerging science or something science 180 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:10,930 has yet to to catch up on and this whole 181 00:08:16,530 --> 00:08:13,720 idea about has yet to be discovered by 182 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:16,540 science has taken up by you in one of 183 00:08:22,590 --> 00:08:19,210 the lectures on something that goals me 184 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:22,600 endlessly which is energy medicine can 185 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:23,740 you tell us something about energy 186 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:28,810 medicine well it's based on a myth are 187 00:08:33,659 --> 00:08:31,570 they believe that there are energies 188 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:33,669 that haven't been detected by science 189 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:36,159 yet but I just finished reading a 190 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:38,409 wonderful book by Lisa Randall about how 191 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:41,260 dark matter killed the dinosaurs and we 192 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,240 know that there is dark matter and dark 193 00:08:47,790 --> 00:08:45,730 energy out there in the universe and we 194 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:47,800 can measure it indirectly and understand 195 00:08:53,910 --> 00:08:50,410 things about it and we can measure the 196 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:53,920 energies of subatomic particles down to 197 00:08:58,980 --> 00:08:57,160 just infinitesimally small levels the 198 00:09:01,110 --> 00:08:58,990 idea that there is a human energy field 199 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:01,120 that we just haven't been able to 200 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:03,220 measure yet is it's just totally 201 00:09:09,390 --> 00:09:06,100 ridiculous as far as I'm concerned yes 202 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:09,400 but it's amazingly how it's amazing how 203 00:09:14,850 --> 00:09:11,170 strongly people will 204 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:14,860 assume or believe or accept that there 205 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:16,649 is this energy field they'll simply 206 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:18,760 accept that as part of everyday life 207 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:21,610 they'll build their health structure 208 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:22,930 around and they'll build businesses 209 00:09:26,610 --> 00:09:24,610 around it we have aura cameras for 210 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:26,620 example we have people who think that 211 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:28,690 they can wave their hands around other 212 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:30,850 people to tune their energies and feel 213 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:32,440 the vibrations and all this sort of 214 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:34,750 thing so I'm glad you've covered energy 215 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:36,250 medicine in fact what I'll do now is 216 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:37,810 I'll play a little clip from the very 217 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:42,190 first lecture which is you talking about 218 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:44,620 all the lectures in the series let me 219 00:09:57,509 --> 00:09:55,000 play that now hello and welcome I'm dr. 220 00:10:00,030 --> 00:09:57,519 Harriet hall also known as the skeptic 221 00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:00,040 and this is the first in a series of ten 222 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:02,699 lectures about science-based medicine in 223 00:10:08,009 --> 00:10:05,529 this first lecture I'll explain what 224 00:10:09,689 --> 00:10:08,019 science-based medicine is why it's 225 00:10:12,509 --> 00:10:09,699 important and how it's different from 226 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:12,519 evidence-based medicine in the second 227 00:10:17,130 --> 00:10:14,290 lecture i'll talk about medicine it 228 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:17,140 isn't based on science complementary and 229 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:20,529 alternative medicine or cam in lectures 230 00:10:25,889 --> 00:10:23,230 3 through 8 i'll cover individual topics 231 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:25,899 in cam that claim to be science-based 232 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:28,420 but that are not chiropractic 233 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:31,410 acupuncture homeopathy naturopathy 234 00:10:37,139 --> 00:10:34,290 energy medicine and miscellaneous others 235 00:10:39,810 --> 00:10:37,149 in lecture 9 i'll talk about some of the 236 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:39,820 pitfalls in clinical research why we 237 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:41,649 can't take every published study at face 238 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:44,350 value and how to tell if a study is good 239 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:46,870 science and in the final lecture i'll 240 00:10:50,939 --> 00:10:49,060 talk about how science-based medicine is 241 00:10:54,269 --> 00:10:50,949 misunderstood in the media and in 242 00:10:56,910 --> 00:10:54,279 politics i've prepared a course guide to 243 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:56,920 accompany these lectures it summarizes 244 00:11:00,660 --> 00:10:58,569 the important information from each 245 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:00,670 lecture and includes references and 246 00:11:06,030 --> 00:11:03,339 suggestions for further reading so there 247 00:11:07,259 --> 00:11:06,040 we are folks there are 10 lectures 10 248 00:11:10,350 --> 00:11:07,269 lectures which is pretty impressive 249 00:11:12,829 --> 00:11:10,360 there are about half an hour 35 minutes 250 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:12,839 apiece which is nice viewing it's easy 251 00:11:18,809 --> 00:11:16,060 viewing you don't it doesn't demand too 252 00:11:21,540 --> 00:11:18,819 much of you to sit through one subject 253 00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:21,550 for our hours on end and I understand 254 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:24,880 they're also study notes yes I put to go 255 00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:27,040 a course guide I tried to summarize the 256 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:29,320 main points from each lecture and put 257 00:11:33,540 --> 00:11:30,970 some of the references and some 258 00:11:35,670 --> 00:11:33,550 suggestions for further reading I think 259 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:35,680 that's wonderful because I think this 260 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:38,760 will be a very good introduction to 261 00:11:45,810 --> 00:11:42,550 students especially skeptics everywhere 262 00:11:47,550 --> 00:11:45,820 will definitely benefit I'm benefiting 263 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:47,560 out of watching this series i've already 264 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:50,490 started i'm enjoying it immensely it 265 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:52,870 does a wonderful thing it will two 266 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:55,900 wonderful things one it reminds me of 267 00:11:59,580 --> 00:11:57,610 things I've learned in the past and 268 00:12:01,770 --> 00:11:59,590 refreshes my memory but also I'm 269 00:12:03,870 --> 00:12:01,780 learning a lot and which is a great 270 00:12:06,510 --> 00:12:03,880 thing which is what something we all 271 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:06,520 should do I bet you learned a lot when 272 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:09,490 you were preparing these two I certainly 273 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:11,200 did and that's the best way to learn 274 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:13,090 things is to try to tell somebody else 275 00:12:17,850 --> 00:12:16,720 about them hey I suppose that's right we 276 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:17,860 learn all sorts of interesting things 277 00:12:21,330 --> 00:12:19,050 like what's the difference between 278 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:21,340 evidence-based medicine and science 279 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:22,840 based medicine there's a good story 280 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:26,860 about the scurvy and vitamin C and how 281 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:30,130 that was remedied using science and not 282 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:32,140 magic of course and things like that you 283 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:35,080 talk about correlation naughty equaling 284 00:12:39,450 --> 00:12:37,630 causation all the goodies folks all the 285 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:39,460 good stuffs there and as you heard 286 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:41,800 Harriet discussed there's a homeopathy 287 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:43,570 there's acupuncture there's all sorts of 288 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:46,450 things now that website again folks is 289 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:52,090 ww youtube.com / user / James Randi 290 00:12:56,250 --> 00:12:53,890 foundation or if you go to the show 291 00:12:57,510 --> 00:12:56,260 notes in this week's episode I certainly 292 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:57,520 will link to it there and one of the 293 00:13:01,920 --> 00:12:59,170 other things that really caught my eye 294 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:01,930 harried about this whole series is james 295 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:04,210 randi sort of joins you for every 296 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:09,130 episode yes hang up a james randi doll 297 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:12,730 that he signed to me and it was on my 298 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:14,800 bookcase and so we decided to have a 299 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:16,840 little fun with it we moved it around in 300 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:18,670 different places from one lecture to the 301 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:21,430 next and one of them my husband 302 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:23,770 suspended the doll upside down to 303 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:26,020 commemorate those escapes that Randy be 304 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:27,760 everybody was put in a straitjacket and 305 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:30,010 dangled from a helicopter and so forth I 306 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:32,950 think that's fantastic and just viewing 307 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:34,570 the page 308 00:13:40,590 --> 00:13:38,230 at the moment those lectures have only 309 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:40,600 been online for a matter of days I 310 00:13:44,940 --> 00:13:43,030 notice but already they're racking up 311 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:44,950 views in the thousands and that's so 312 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:47,260 encouraging that is so encouraged I'm so 313 00:13:50,370 --> 00:13:49,090 pleased to do it I guess it was an 314 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:50,380 interesting process to put those 315 00:13:54,270 --> 00:13:52,300 together you are in your own home with a 316 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:54,280 little camera set up did you have 317 00:13:59,790 --> 00:13:56,230 something like a teleprompter or an 318 00:14:02,820 --> 00:13:59,800 autocue well we had kind of a jury rig 319 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:02,830 setup I had they text of everything I 320 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:05,320 wanted to say in the note section of my 321 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:08,110 powerpoint presentation so we have that 322 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:10,720 out on a big computer screen in front of 323 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:13,510 me and we mounted the camera just above 324 00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:15,520 it so I could read my notes and it 325 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:18,190 looked like I was talking to the camera 326 00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:21,640 it works very well I I would have 327 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:23,590 assumed watching it that you had a 328 00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:27,100 proper professional teleprompter rig 329 00:14:30,510 --> 00:14:29,080 setup because you read the notes so well 330 00:14:31,980 --> 00:14:30,520 and you you're still looking at the 331 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:31,990 camera I think that that was very well 332 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:34,270 done Harriet very well done full marks 333 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:38,200 for that thank you so folks don't delay 334 00:14:43,830 --> 00:14:42,160 this is a must for every skeptic out 335 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:43,840 there interested in science based 336 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:45,610 medicine and all those alternative 337 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:48,210 medicine practices Harriet covers 338 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:51,100 youtube.com / user / James Randi 339 00:14:54,930 --> 00:14:52,810 foundation Thank You Harriet thank you 340 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:54,940 so much for spending time to talk to us 341 00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:57,250 on the skeptic zone but really thank you 342 00:15:01,980 --> 00:14:59,290 for taking the time to put this series 343 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:01,990 together thank you for helping me 344 00:15:05,610 --> 00:15:03,970 publicize it I hope it gets the word out 345 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:05,620 to a lot of people that need to hear 346 00:15:11,730 --> 00:15:08,350 that information but now actually the 347 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:11,740 and sincerely I think it's great it's a 348 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:13,720 really good series and I think it's 349 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:14,950 going to be a valuable resource for 350 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:17,830 years to come ok well thank you very 351 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:40,160 hello Richard and all the listeners of 352 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:43,110 skeptic zone my name is Ron levy and I'm 353 00:15:47,930 --> 00:15:46,050 the producer and co-host of curious mind 354 00:15:54,860 --> 00:15:47,940 it's a podcast about science technology 355 00:15:57,079 --> 00:15:54,870 and history at wwc em-pod cmp OD dot net 356 00:15:59,329 --> 00:15:57,089 each episode will bring you interesting 357 00:16:01,819 --> 00:15:59,339 stories from a wide range of subjects 358 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:01,829 from physics to astronomy and medicine 359 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,500 from arts to science fiction we strive 360 00:16:08,780 --> 00:16:06,480 for the highest production values both 361 00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:08,790 in content and in delivery we already 362 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:11,430 have on the air episodes about German 363 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:13,889 u-boats in Second World War about the 364 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:16,410 history of x-rays and the war of 365 00:16:40,889 --> 00:16:19,649 currents between Tesla and Edison come 366 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:44,889 it's the raw skeptic report with ID 367 00:16:56,889 --> 00:16:55,010 Robertson hi everyone hardy Robertson 368 00:16:59,650 --> 00:16:56,899 from the Northern Rivers vaccination 369 00:17:02,350 --> 00:16:59,660 supporters coming to you today from the 370 00:17:06,340 --> 00:17:02,360 popular tourist destination of crystal 371 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:06,350 castle in northern New South Wales one 372 00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:08,870 day I will do a skeptic zone report on 373 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:11,990 some of the items for sale here but for 374 00:17:18,910 --> 00:17:15,020 today I'm just enjoying the sunshine and 375 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:18,920 the beautiful gardens this report is 376 00:17:23,260 --> 00:17:20,150 another in my series of 377 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,270 vaccine-preventable diseases I'm going 378 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:25,360 to talk about meningococcal disease and 379 00:17:31,030 --> 00:17:27,920 include an interview I did a few weeks 380 00:17:33,070 --> 00:17:31,040 ago with Marty Mabry a survivor of 381 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:33,080 meningococcal disease who has a 382 00:17:39,460 --> 00:17:36,110 frightening and yet inspiring story to 383 00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:39,470 share all references for the following 384 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:42,160 information can be found on our website 385 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:48,890 ww nrvs info firstly some facts about 386 00:17:54,910 --> 00:17:52,790 the disease meningococcal is a bacteria 387 00:17:58,090 --> 00:17:54,920 of which there are thirteen main 388 00:18:02,740 --> 00:17:58,100 subtypes in Australia the most common 389 00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:02,750 types are B and C meningococcal can 390 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:05,750 cause two broad types of very serious 391 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:10,809 disease meningitis and septicaemia 392 00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:13,760 meningitis means infection primarily of 393 00:18:19,419 --> 00:18:16,670 the lining of the brain and septicemia 394 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:19,429 occurs when a bacterial infection enters 395 00:18:26,169 --> 00:18:23,210 the bloodstream meningitis can lead to 396 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,179 septicemia and septicemia can lead to 397 00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:29,360 meningitis but often especially early on 398 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:32,480 in the infection one type of disease is 399 00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,590 dominant there are many other causes of 400 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:38,960 meningitis and septicaemia other than 401 00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:41,809 meningococcal but this bacteria causes 402 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:43,160 particularly dangerous 403 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:47,150 versions of these diseases once infected 404 00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:49,700 about ten to fifteen percent of 405 00:18:55,810 --> 00:18:52,100 otherwise fit and healthy young people 406 00:18:59,290 --> 00:18:55,820 will die often within hours or days of 407 00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,300 becoming unwell of those that survived 408 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:02,000 the disease twenty to thirty percent end 409 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:05,500 up permanently disabled with lost limbs 410 00:19:13,330 --> 00:19:08,830 hearing sight and/or permanent 411 00:19:16,690 --> 00:19:13,340 neurological dysfunction meningococcal 412 00:19:18,430 --> 00:19:16,700 disease is scary and it is important to 413 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:18,440 be vigilant for the signs of such a 414 00:19:23,770 --> 00:19:20,870 dangerous disease as early treatment 415 00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:23,780 such as antibiotics can literally be the 416 00:19:30,540 --> 00:19:27,740 difference between life or death in 417 00:19:34,110 --> 00:19:30,550 older children and adults be alert for 418 00:19:37,740 --> 00:19:34,120 fever possibly with cold hands and feet 419 00:19:39,940 --> 00:19:37,750 vomiting headache neck stiffness 420 00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:39,950 discomfort when looking at bright lights 421 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:44,500 or photophobia aching or sore muscles 422 00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:48,190 painful or swollen joints fitting 423 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:52,400 moaning unintelligible speech drowsiness 424 00:20:00,100 --> 00:19:56,810 and confusion collapse rash of red or 425 00:20:03,610 --> 00:20:00,110 purple pinprick spots or larger bruises 426 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:03,620 in babies who obviously can't tell you 427 00:20:08,350 --> 00:20:05,510 that they have sore joints or headaches 428 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:08,360 and neck stiffness additional signs to 429 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:12,130 watch for are refusing feeds or vomiting 430 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:14,810 irritability fretfulness grunting 431 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:17,960 moaning or whimpering difficult to wake 432 00:20:25,570 --> 00:20:21,440 floppy a dislike of being handled 433 00:20:27,340 --> 00:20:25,580 arching back and stiff neck not all of 434 00:20:31,150 --> 00:20:27,350 these symptoms may be present and they 435 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:31,160 may appear in any order so how 436 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:34,130 contagious is it up to about twenty-five 437 00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:36,110 percent of the population live with the 438 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:37,790 bacteria in the mucous of their 439 00:20:43,210 --> 00:20:39,650 respiratory tract without it causing 440 00:20:46,180 --> 00:20:43,220 disease it is passed between individuals 441 00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:46,190 by exchange of respiratory fluids for 442 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:49,460 example kissing or by droplet spread 443 00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:52,310 coughing and sneezing passage between 444 00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,980 individuals is more likely where groups 445 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:56,960 of susceptible people crowd 446 00:21:01,539 --> 00:20:59,450 gather for example childcare centers 447 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:01,549 with babies and toddlers sharing toys 448 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:03,890 and drink bottles or dummies or in 449 00:21:10,659 --> 00:21:07,130 schools on camps universities and dorms 450 00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,669 army barracks and in some individuals it 451 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:12,799 can then go on to cause devastating 452 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:17,210 disease in Australia the vaccination 453 00:21:22,810 --> 00:21:19,370 schedule includes meningococcal see at 454 00:21:26,049 --> 00:21:22,820 12 months of age one dose of the men see 455 00:21:28,269 --> 00:21:26,059 vaccine is between 83 and one hundred 456 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:28,279 percent effective and widespread 457 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:30,890 vaccination programs have meant that the 458 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:33,350 sea strain is now much rarer than in the 459 00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,020 past and the B strain has taken its 460 00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:39,039 place as the most prevalent here a 461 00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:42,500 vaccine for the B strain bexsero is 462 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:45,020 available here on the private market but 463 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:49,070 not yet on the schedule and now for 464 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:52,940 Marty's story ok i'm here with Marty and 465 00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:56,090 marty first of all thank you for having 466 00:21:59,799 --> 00:21:58,130 me in your home in the northern rivers 467 00:22:02,740 --> 00:21:59,809 and thank you for talking to me on the 468 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:02,750 skeptic zone no friends at all somali i 469 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:05,210 believe you are northern rivers born and 470 00:22:09,399 --> 00:22:07,250 bred you grew up in barn Bay's at right 471 00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:09,409 that's great yeah so I grew up in Bombay 472 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:12,470 and I've been away a little bit but yes 473 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:14,510 been most my life in do ok and when you 474 00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:16,490 were growing up we use sort of aware of 475 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:19,190 the low vaccination rates in the air was 476 00:22:22,899 --> 00:22:20,809 that a thing when you were growing up or 477 00:22:24,669 --> 00:22:22,909 not particularly i didn't really have an 478 00:22:26,860 --> 00:22:24,679 awareness of it i think it's probably 479 00:22:28,659 --> 00:22:26,870 being since coming back to the area that 480 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:28,669 I've learned more about it but yeah 481 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,049 growing up I didn't really know much 482 00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:32,480 about it at all yeah it's it's funny I 483 00:22:36,610 --> 00:22:34,820 and a few of my friends that live in the 484 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:36,620 area as well when we first moved here 485 00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,320 not having grown up in the area we also 486 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:41,600 came to the area and not having any idea 487 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:43,580 that the vaccination rates was so low 488 00:22:48,250 --> 00:22:46,190 and it was only after having kids of our 489 00:22:51,130 --> 00:22:48,260 own and realizing what the situation was 490 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:51,140 so when you're a teenager correct me if 491 00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,140 i'm wrong i think it was 2002 you 492 00:22:59,529 --> 00:22:56,960 contracted meningococcal it was the base 493 00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,539 drain wasn't it that you contracted can 494 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:01,840 you sort of share with us what the 495 00:23:06,879 --> 00:23:04,190 circumstances were that that led up to 496 00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:06,889 you contracting the disease sure so I 497 00:23:11,170 --> 00:23:09,140 was actually in year 11 and I 498 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,180 been on a school ski trip for a week 499 00:23:17,710 --> 00:23:14,000 down to south of Sydney to the snow 500 00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:17,720 fields and had got back after you know 501 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:20,120 quite a long kind of bus trip and was 502 00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:23,570 pretty run down and felt you know been 503 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:26,030 unwell at school you know headache sore 504 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:29,990 joints went home took a couple of had it 505 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:32,900 all and went to sleep and woke up very 506 00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:35,690 unwell next morning but it was really 507 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:38,900 just you know after a big kind of a trip 508 00:23:42,970 --> 00:23:40,730 well it was the long week with not much 509 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:42,980 sleep we're all quite rundown and all 510 00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:45,290 staying in close quarters in bunk beds 511 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:48,560 in this accommodation at the snow at the 512 00:23:54,610 --> 00:23:51,380 time did anyone else on that trip come 513 00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:54,620 down with it you have any idea where you 514 00:24:00,460 --> 00:23:56,900 have what came about that you picked it 515 00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:00,470 up not particularly so no one else got 516 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:02,360 sick on the trip they're all treated 517 00:24:08,410 --> 00:24:04,970 with antibiotics mm-hmm afterwards or 518 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:08,420 when I when I fell ill and the subtype 519 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,180 that I got had not been identified in 520 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:13,520 Australia yet so I mean that's not to 521 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:15,590 say that it wasn't there but it was 522 00:24:20,770 --> 00:24:19,250 there wasn't really a clear as is the 523 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:20,780 case quite often that you don't exactly 524 00:24:24,490 --> 00:24:22,250 know where it's come from what who is 525 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:24,500 transmitted it to you so I think that 526 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:27,340 I've the statistic says something like 527 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:30,890 one in four or five people actually 528 00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:34,010 carry the bacteria in their throats and 529 00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:35,870 noses is that right just doesn't cause 530 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:39,590 usually any problems until when does it 531 00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:40,970 become a problem if one in five people 532 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:42,800 are carrying the bacteria around when 533 00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:44,510 does it become a problem for themselves 534 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:47,540 or others so a lot of people will say 535 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:49,850 yeah you're right between ten percent 536 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:51,770 and twenty percent of people can carry 537 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:53,510 the bacteria in their nose and throat 538 00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:55,870 and be colonized is that they say 539 00:25:00,520 --> 00:24:59,090 without you know you'd ever causing a 540 00:25:03,850 --> 00:25:00,530 problem you know it's quite a rare 541 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:03,860 disease to contract my understanding is 542 00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:05,630 that the people who are actually going 543 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:08,740 to become unwell with it will actually 544 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:11,570 get the disease quite quickly they won't 545 00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:13,790 remain colonized for a period and then 546 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:17,120 somehow four-wheel but you're right i 547 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:18,320 mean that there are a lot of people in 548 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:18,900 the community 549 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:21,270 powering the bug in their nose and 550 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:23,490 throws and but will never be affected by 551 00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:25,650 it I never know that they're carrying it 552 00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:28,380 is right hmm okay take us through the 553 00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:30,900 story from when you woke up very unwell 554 00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:33,030 the next morning did you feel yourself 555 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:34,980 were you aware at that point that there 556 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:36,690 was something very serious going on or 557 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:38,850 did you still think it's a bit of a cold 558 00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:42,240 flu type thing I I mean I'd never heard 559 00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:44,430 of meningococcal and I and I didn't have 560 00:25:49,790 --> 00:25:46,380 much awareness of infectious diseases or 561 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:49,800 anything at the time I woke up and in 562 00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:51,870 hindsight I was quite confused overnight 563 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:53,550 with high fevers and I woke up not 564 00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:56,910 knowing how serious it was at all really 565 00:26:01,100 --> 00:25:59,220 and so I was taking the bombay hospital 566 00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:01,110 and then quickly transferred to lismore 567 00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:04,620 base hospital and you know in there ed 568 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,360 they kind of started treatment and then 569 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,000 I was actually induced into economy and 570 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:11,940 taken away see you and so this whole 571 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:14,730 time I had no idea how unwell i was and 572 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:17,070 i had no no I wanted said to me all 573 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:19,530 you've got x chance of surviving or 574 00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:21,870 dying at all because I mean they may 575 00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:23,880 have said it but I was not comprehending 576 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:25,920 what was happening particularly anyway 577 00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:28,230 so it was all a bit of a kind of blur 578 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:31,710 for me yeah and and at that point say 579 00:26:36,530 --> 00:26:33,330 you had all this sort of cold and flu 580 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:36,540 symptoms and obviously disorientation 581 00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:39,270 and confusion and and that's when they 582 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:40,980 diagnosed you and put you into the 583 00:26:46,460 --> 00:26:43,530 induced coma so you you wouldn't have 584 00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:46,470 been aware until you woke up really that 585 00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:48,300 you had meningococcal is that right 586 00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:51,300 exactly right and so I had a you know a 587 00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:53,670 huge rash all over my body that you know 588 00:26:57,860 --> 00:26:56,040 you sometimes it because of big purple 589 00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,870 rash so what I mean once you get that 590 00:27:01,280 --> 00:26:59,520 point it's very clear what the what the 591 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,290 cause is an ideal you pick it up before 592 00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:03,600 that but you're correct i didn't have 593 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:05,790 any understanding of what had happened 594 00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,770 until i woke up a couple of weeks later 595 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:10,020 really from that kind of looked like 596 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:12,270 brought me out of that coma and then I 597 00:27:16,550 --> 00:27:13,890 was they kind of told me what happened 598 00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:16,560 and that's what well a couple of weeks 599 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:18,990 hmm what actually happens in the body 600 00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,650 when the bacteria takes hold you 601 00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:25,380 mentioned that the purple rash which I 602 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:27,390 think it's one of the later stages of 603 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,070 the diseases and it's over by the time 604 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:31,260 you actually notice that rash that's not 605 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:32,700 one of the first symptoms 606 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:35,130 you see what actually causes that rash 607 00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:36,450 what's happening in the body to cause 608 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,420 that rash you are using the right it's a 609 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,240 light sign or a light thing that happens 610 00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:45,000 in the course of the disease so as the 611 00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:48,590 bacteria enters the bloodstream it's it 612 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:52,200 will multiply incredibly quickly and as 613 00:27:57,980 --> 00:27:54,690 a response to overwhelming infection 614 00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:57,990 your body will basically all the blood 615 00:28:02,840 --> 00:27:59,610 vessels in the periphery of your body 616 00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:02,850 will open up and you will actually end 617 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:05,280 up with a rash which you're essentially 618 00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,240 bleeding into your skin because the the 619 00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,340 way the infection takes hold will 620 00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:13,320 actually use up a lot of the factors in 621 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:15,540 your blood which allow it to clot and so 622 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:18,210 you will end up kind of bleeding into 623 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:20,370 your tissues and when you're in that 624 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:23,010 late stage with that very widespread 625 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:26,490 purple rash it's a quite a dire sign and 626 00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,350 and if if you do come to hospital that 627 00:28:34,910 --> 00:28:33,000 point they say that your chances of 628 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:34,920 survival are quite low because you're 629 00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:37,740 exactly right it's a very late hmm part 630 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:38,940 of the disease and so the disease 631 00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:40,800 process is already kind of well and 632 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:42,420 truly kicking it's well and truly 633 00:28:46,670 --> 00:28:44,730 throughout your body and so that purple 634 00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,680 rash that we see under their skin in the 635 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:48,960 pictures that we see is actually blood 636 00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:52,470 underneath the skin I guess a good tip 637 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:54,300 for people as well is that it's a non 638 00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:57,450 blanching rash as in I was always taught 639 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:00,900 to the glass test it was called so can 640 00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:03,330 you explain what what that's about so 641 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:05,340 you're exactly right it's called a non 642 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:08,310 blanching ration basically it's a fancy 643 00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:09,930 way of saying that when you can press 644 00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,560 the skin the rash won't disappear so if 645 00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:15,240 you use a glass which you can see 646 00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:17,940 through and you compress over or you put 647 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:20,160 pressure over one of these small red 648 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:23,940 areas it will remain there even with the 649 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,350 pressure whereas a lot of other rashes 650 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:28,020 will disappear I mean it's not one of 651 00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:30,450 those things that's absolutely you know 652 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:32,460 one hundred percent to say that if the 653 00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:35,850 rash is a blanching rash then you're 654 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Your Honor in the clear but it's a good 655 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:41,370 one to kind of have in mind it's just 656 00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:44,010 another tool I surprise yeah tell me 657 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:46,620 what they when you are in the induced 658 00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:49,230 coma what were your parents told what 659 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:52,260 your chances of survival were pretty low 660 00:29:56,299 --> 00:29:53,610 so I think they went through a lot more 661 00:29:58,220 --> 00:29:56,309 than I did I think when I was brought 662 00:30:01,220 --> 00:29:58,230 into hospital everyone recognized that I 663 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:01,230 was very unwell and my parents were told 664 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:05,130 I believe initially you know maybe five 665 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:07,140 to ten percent chance of survival and 666 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:10,169 then when i had my legs amputated i had 667 00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:12,390 other issues with bleeding and so that 668 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:14,070 again was a bit of a kind of scary 669 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:18,240 period for them but they they went 670 00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:21,809 through probably 72 hours 48 72 hours 671 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,080 where you know we hadn't quite turned 672 00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:26,640 around yet and they was still very 673 00:30:32,779 --> 00:30:29,820 unsure as to whether i would survive my 674 00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:32,789 frightening time yeah so both legs 675 00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:35,280 amputated did that that that happened 676 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:37,260 whilst you were in the induced coma it 677 00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:41,070 did so basically they you know they 678 00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:43,950 brought me to ICU and and stabilize my 679 00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:45,419 blood pressure and all those things that 680 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:47,880 kind of just go hey why when your ground 681 00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:52,640 well and as a consequence of the disease 682 00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:55,620 my feet the the kind of tissue in my 683 00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,340 feet died so they were trying to you 684 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:01,740 know save and protect as much of that as 685 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:04,440 I because they could but when it became 686 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:06,330 clear that leaving them on was just 687 00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:08,130 gonna you know poison me a set 688 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:11,159 effectively I'm not sure the exact 689 00:31:14,899 --> 00:31:12,480 timing but it would have been in the 690 00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:14,909 first few days I believe that they made 691 00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,100 the decision to imitate my later so that 692 00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:19,860 was I wasn't aware of that really until 693 00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:21,720 although it's interesting actually had 694 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:23,659 some awareness of what was going on 695 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,850 during this coma because it's a you know 696 00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:28,980 it's used to date it effectively it's 697 00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,120 not as heavy as some general anesthetics 698 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:35,580 I as such funny as it sounds I had to 699 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:36,690 actually knew that that had happened 700 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:40,260 while I was in this cone Mona and I woke 701 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,210 up you know they kind of told me at that 702 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:44,880 point which I believe that I already 703 00:31:48,029 --> 00:31:47,250 kind of knew what had happened some 704 00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,039 degree which 705 00:31:53,969 --> 00:31:51,279 well it sounds silly to say but it would 706 00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:53,979 have been a huge process at journey for 707 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:56,200 you then to come to terms with that and 708 00:32:00,989 --> 00:31:58,690 also the the rehabilitation process as 709 00:32:05,009 --> 00:32:00,999 well definitely and I saw what I didn't 710 00:32:07,499 --> 00:32:05,019 know when they when I woke up and what 711 00:32:10,649 --> 00:32:07,509 was a real shock was how close I was to 712 00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:10,659 dying so that five to ten percent thing 713 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:13,659 I mean I had no idea but you did recover 714 00:32:20,879 --> 00:32:17,769 very well and I believe that 2010 was a 715 00:32:22,379 --> 00:32:20,889 particularly busy and successful year 716 00:32:26,369 --> 00:32:22,389 for you can you share with us what 717 00:32:28,469 --> 00:32:26,379 happened in 2010 certainly so I had 718 00:32:30,739 --> 00:32:28,479 always been a skier before this it all 719 00:32:34,409 --> 00:32:30,749 happened and I got involved in 720 00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:34,419 Paralympic sports after I am a bit empty 721 00:32:40,409 --> 00:32:37,599 at it so I've been skiing from about 722 00:32:43,469 --> 00:32:40,419 2000 and 3000 and four and going to 723 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:43,479 Torino pelvic games and on to Vancouver 724 00:32:48,239 --> 00:32:45,369 pound of the games and won a silver 725 00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:48,249 medal there in the downhill event of a 726 00:32:54,629 --> 00:32:51,700 power plants king and started medicine 727 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:54,639 that year started studying medicine and 728 00:33:00,119 --> 00:32:58,090 also got married in 2010 it was a big 729 00:33:01,529 --> 00:33:00,129 year it must be difficult for you not 730 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:01,539 only on a professional level but a 731 00:33:07,409 --> 00:33:04,210 personal level to to have patients that 732 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:07,419 refuse vaccinations after what you have 733 00:33:13,259 --> 00:33:10,809 the personal cost has been to you is 734 00:33:15,089 --> 00:33:13,269 there ever a time when you have shared 735 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:15,099 your story with those patients and have 736 00:33:18,899 --> 00:33:17,470 they been swayed at all by it a lot of 737 00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:18,909 the time it's amazing people will 738 00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:21,340 completely turn around and say you're 739 00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:23,080 right you know I've never thought of it 740 00:33:28,349 --> 00:33:26,470 like that and then hopefully hmm go and 741 00:33:30,539 --> 00:33:28,359 vaccinate their children yeah so it's 742 00:33:33,629 --> 00:33:30,549 it's such an important thing for us all 743 00:33:35,339 --> 00:33:33,639 to have those conversations and make 744 00:33:37,649 --> 00:33:35,349 sure that the information out there is 745 00:33:39,779 --> 00:33:37,659 the correct information and I guess to 746 00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:39,789 correct any misinformation we see on 747 00:33:43,649 --> 00:33:41,950 social media and in our circle of 748 00:33:46,289 --> 00:33:43,659 friends and start getting the 749 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:46,299 conversations going Thank You Marty for 750 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:48,129 your time and for having me in your home 751 00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,950 we've had a few whipper snipper noises 752 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,440 in the background and some birds and but 753 00:33:57,749 --> 00:33:56,080 you get that in the northern rivers so 754 00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,759 thank you very much for joining me Marty 755 00:34:01,580 --> 00:33:59,440 it's been a pleasure to speak with you 756 00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,590 and thank you you 757 00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:04,140 my brother that's all from me for this 758 00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:07,110 week you can find more information and 759 00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:11,820 get in touch with me at nrvs info or at 760 00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:13,619 our Facebook page Northern Rivers 761 00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:16,950 vaccination supporters or on Twitter at 762 00:34:25,339 --> 00:34:21,659 Heidi howdy but for now I'm off to enjoy 763 00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:25,349 a piece of gluten Laden chocolate cake 764 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:40,470 from the bakery till next time welcome 765 00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:42,750 to a weakened science arias bringing 766 00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:44,940 years science you need to know it has 767 00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:47,700 been a weird year in science in 2015 and 768 00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:49,740 get ready to get freaky because this is 769 00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,030 our weird five of the year at number 770 00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:02,099 five we have the tastiest study of the 771 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:05,220 year the science of how popcorn pops the 772 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:07,530 critical temperature is 180 degrees 773 00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:09,810 Celsius when the internal pressure of 774 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,150 the corn kernel reaches around 10 bar 775 00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,000 the jump is caused by a leg of molten 776 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:17,160 starch pushing against the surface under 777 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:19,050 the kernel and the sound is from the 778 00:35:26,180 --> 00:35:23,820 expulsion of pressurized gas bees love 779 00:35:28,099 --> 00:35:26,190 getting buzzed from caffeine caffeine 780 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,109 aids nectar which some flowers produce 781 00:35:33,859 --> 00:35:31,140 is preferred by bees with them ignoring 782 00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:33,869 other non caffeinated actor even when 783 00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:35,820 the caffeinated stuff is all used up 784 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:38,190 they are also more eager to tell the 785 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:40,170 rest of the hive in fact they kind of 786 00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:41,730 acts like they're a little bit hyper 787 00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:46,200 active from the caffeine many humans 788 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,420 like to have a bit of a tipple and now 789 00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:51,060 it's been observed some chimpanzees also 790 00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:53,430 like to get drunk chimps were seen to be 791 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,320 climbing palm trees and drinking 792 00:35:59,359 --> 00:35:57,720 fermented alcoholic palm sap that the 793 00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:59,369 locals have been collecting from those 794 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,980 trees they even worked out a way to use 795 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:04,800 leaves to scoop the drink afterwards the 796 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:06,510 chips were seem to be acting in a 797 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:08,770 drunken way 798 00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:11,450 at number two is one that nobody 799 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:14,180 believes you sniff your hand after a 800 00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:16,490 handshake to detect the odor of the 801 00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:18,830 other person the Israelis study used 802 00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:21,110 hidden cameras to find that people smell 803 00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:23,480 their hands twice as much after a 804 00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:25,940 handshake but they're sneaky about it it 805 00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:28,040 seems to be an unconscious movement to 806 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:29,750 check out the other person's odor 807 00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:32,770 communication just trust me you do it 808 00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:36,800 and our weird science story of year 809 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:38,780 people are surrounded by unique 810 00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,330 microbial cloud we're covered in 811 00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:43,760 bacteria and every time we move we shed 812 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,520 some of our skin creating a cloud that 813 00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:48,560 is thought to extend a few feet around 814 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:51,950 us it has also been found this cloud is 815 00:36:56,290 --> 00:36:54,290 as unique as a fingerprint people can 816 00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:56,300 actually be identified using the 817 00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:01,130 bacterial composition that's our weird 5 818 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:03,950 science stories from 2015 there's more 819 00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:07,640 information on the Arias website RI aus 820 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:11,150 org a you follow us on twitter at r oz 821 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:13,610 and like us on facebook i'm ben lewis 822 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:46,200 hi are you a skeptic living somewhere in 823 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:48,970 Europe or simply interested in what like 824 00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:51,070 minded people are up to in countries 825 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:53,670 around here I have good news for you 826 00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:56,650 there is a new podcast out there with 827 00:38:04,080 --> 00:37:58,930 the aim of helping you connect with all 828 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:04,090 those European skeptics the ESP European 829 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:07,750 skeptics podcast a biweekly show coming 830 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:09,700 out on the 18th of November on 831 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:13,870 soundcloud iTunes and stitcher come and 832 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:17,410 visit our website the ESP you follow us 833 00:38:23,090 --> 00:38:20,290 on Facebook and Twitter and help us keep 834 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:23,100 the project genuinely international and 835 00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:27,220 interactive let us provide you with a 836 00:38:59,010 --> 00:38:51,460 I don't know I you can't believe here's 837 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:00,970 course here at skeptics the pub we 838 00:39:03,970 --> 00:39:02,600 always throw questions after people that 839 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:03,980 make them each and make them scratch and 840 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:04,730 make them look like they've been 841 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:06,890 affected with the question virus and 842 00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:10,550 tonight's question will be ripped what 843 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:12,260 should you get a skeptic for Christmas 844 00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:15,410 what is a ideal Christmas gift for a 845 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:16,910 skeptic now we're going to try and avoid 846 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:18,830 any buzz marketing here or anything like 847 00:39:21,490 --> 00:39:19,970 that I mentioned some people probably 848 00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:21,500 promote dick smith who won't have that 849 00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:23,000 he doesn't own the shop anymore anyway 850 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:25,460 so what should you get a skeptic for 851 00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:27,530 Christmas which was I think a song from 852 00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:30,920 my fair lady what would I give to a 853 00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:34,420 skeptic probably a box of handkerchiefs 854 00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:36,710 that's a good that's always a good gift 855 00:39:42,490 --> 00:39:40,550 isn't it yeah and maybe some undies yes 856 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:42,500 what days of the week written on them 857 00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:45,470 yeah yes well I'm Alex I've been 858 00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:46,940 listening to the skipping zone for 859 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:51,500 several months and I like it a lot and I 860 00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:52,970 think the idea was present present for a 861 00:39:59,770 --> 00:39:56,780 psychic would be for a skeptic it would 862 00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,780 be a psychic in a cage say sally morgan 863 00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,480 in a cage oh that certainly make the the 864 00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:04,720 northern skeptics pretty happy in the UK 865 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:07,430 no I were imagined they would they 866 00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:08,750 wouldn't I would have you know they 867 00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,310 could make money selling tickets to go 868 00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:12,000 and see it 869 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:14,430 and look I asked everybody this I'll 870 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:16,140 just asking quickly what is is that the 871 00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:17,670 faith is that the favorite sort of woo 872 00:40:24,350 --> 00:40:23,100 you like to hate net psychics well I'm 873 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:24,360 not sure about haven't got a favorite 874 00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,370 whew that I hate homeopathy comes pretty 875 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:29,280 close to a second awesome maybe even top 876 00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:32,490 you know chiropractic is another one all 877 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:34,950 those ones that beat people up and as a 878 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:36,450 pretense of actually helping them get 879 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:38,250 better I think they're there they're 880 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:41,010 just read full they should be eradicated 881 00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:43,050 somehow somehow is it be stomped stand 882 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:45,240 down yeah and actually this is their 883 00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,620 first time person who along are the 884 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:48,240 skeptics in the pub what sure what's the 885 00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,950 wu you like to write what's the one that 886 00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:52,560 really get your goat chiropractic and 887 00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:56,700 why is that yeah i studied it quite in 888 00:41:03,080 --> 00:40:58,760 depth during my undergraduate degree and 889 00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,090 made a lot of enemies is there any there 890 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:05,220 is a genuine chiropractic that is 891 00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:07,170 actually science-based is there a side 892 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:08,520 of it that is science based or way 893 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:10,290 incorrect I wouldn't say science-based 894 00:41:20,090 --> 00:41:13,170 more that they've drifted away from the 895 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:20,100 real crazy in there in that they don't 896 00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:22,230 quite go in for the whole everything is 897 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:24,120 caused by imbalance and was fine but 898 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:28,260 they're basically glorified physios and 899 00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:30,690 how did you find yourself at skeptics in 900 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,190 the pub and listen to the skeptic zone 901 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:34,440 well I listened to skeptics own back 902 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:36,270 home after being recommended it at QED 903 00:41:40,799 --> 00:41:38,410 con a couple of years ago 904 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:40,809 and they've had that was recommended by 905 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:44,410 dr. Bradford okay cool um yeah he's 906 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:45,910 quite a dreamy looking doctor isn't it 907 00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:51,849 he's a good luck and then yeah so now 908 00:41:56,819 --> 00:41:54,910 I've relocated to Sydney and skeptics in 909 00:41:59,069 --> 00:41:56,829 the pub was my thing back home so how 910 00:42:00,329 --> 00:41:59,079 did you work in the science field I'm a 911 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,339 radiographer so I work in the medical 912 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:03,280 field so okay i'm a nerd say that you 913 00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,690 spent a lot of time running behind that 914 00:42:09,089 --> 00:42:06,839 screen don't you yeah yeah it's my 915 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:09,099 spiritual home is behind the ledge know 916 00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:10,510 is that the first thing you're taught as 917 00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,039 a rare up where elders just before you 918 00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:13,599 push the button go behind the screen 919 00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:15,400 it's how not to trip over your own feet 920 00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:18,430 while you're doing it yeah and you wear 921 00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:20,230 a little guy good thing on you yes a 922 00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:23,230 little dazed cancer yet okay that's cool 923 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:25,089 and and you get really incensed when 924 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:26,170 people think that there's actually 925 00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:27,970 radiation coming from the microwave oven 926 00:42:33,029 --> 00:42:29,740 and they go the microwave oven will kill 927 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,039 me no it's not the same it's not iron 928 00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:35,440 izing it'sit's to illness it's more the 929 00:42:38,279 --> 00:42:36,700 ones that come in worrying about the 930 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:38,289 radiation from the x-ray smelling a 931 00:42:41,579 --> 00:42:39,609 cigarette smoke those are the ones that 932 00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,589 really bugged me the most yeah you have 933 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:42,880 to have to hold back on giving the 934 00:42:47,339 --> 00:42:45,849 lecture yeah thank you you're at puffing 935 00:42:48,569 --> 00:42:47,349 out there and you're coming in here and 936 00:42:52,349 --> 00:42:48,579 you're worried about you know yeah 937 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:52,359 exactly exactly I end up so what are you 938 00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:54,190 hoping to see tonight here well what do 939 00:42:56,279 --> 00:42:55,000 you think you're gonna find in as 940 00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:56,289 skeptics in the pub you been to a few 941 00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,640 other ones around the place okay well 942 00:43:01,049 --> 00:42:59,920 I've just literally just been told what 943 00:43:02,279 --> 00:43:01,059 subject is and I'm really really 944 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:02,289 interested because neurology or 945 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:03,730 something I'm quite interested in it 946 00:43:07,319 --> 00:43:05,529 something I find quite intriguing and 947 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:07,329 incredibly complex why is that because 948 00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,650 it's very hard to defeat them all 949 00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,000 they're very interesting organism what 950 00:43:14,099 --> 00:43:11,920 is it about them if you can remove 951 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:14,109 yourself from the humanism aspect of 952 00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,670 people die from them I find them very 953 00:43:20,339 --> 00:43:18,880 very interesting organisms but then 954 00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:20,349 there's also the aspect of what can we 955 00:43:24,839 --> 00:43:22,990 do to defeat these little busters that's 956 00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:24,849 pretty cool question we are asking 957 00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:26,470 everybody this is just our magnets 958 00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:28,029 Christmas is what would be a great 959 00:43:33,299 --> 00:43:29,500 Christmas present for a skeptic you 960 00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:33,309 reckon well peace oh that's good that's 961 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:35,109 good and the sir Count anything funny 962 00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:37,670 about that can make jokers in you 963 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:40,430 well I hope you get what you want thank 964 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:43,010 you very much enjoy the whole time okay 965 00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:45,049 Ross you've just heard that she says you 966 00:43:47,770 --> 00:43:46,280 want to world peace for Christmas so 967 00:43:48,819 --> 00:43:47,780 your stuff now whatever answer you give 968 00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:48,829 really what do you think would be a 969 00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:51,380 perfect gift for a skeptic at Christmas 970 00:43:54,819 --> 00:43:52,790 yeah you know I've given it some thought 971 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:54,829 and I reckon if Sully Morgan 972 00:43:58,690 --> 00:43:56,510 accidentally left her microphone on 973 00:44:01,210 --> 00:43:58,700 backstage that would be absolutely gold 974 00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:01,220 in my opinion so what do you reckon we'd 975 00:44:04,569 --> 00:44:02,660 hear her talking to the people that her 976 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:04,579 handlers and might be doing that all the 977 00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:06,710 stuff behind it's possible she might 978 00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:08,420 give away some interesting facts about 979 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:10,280 her performances I think for legal 980 00:44:13,780 --> 00:44:11,530 reasons we'll have to leave it at that 981 00:44:16,089 --> 00:44:13,790 we might hear something as interesting 982 00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:16,099 as can you hear me Petey that one well 983 00:44:22,839 --> 00:44:21,490 Richard Saunders who you heard at the 984 00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:22,849 beginning to show the guys running this 985 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:24,589 whole operation here this this whole 986 00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:27,710 this whole chicken outfit to tell me 987 00:44:32,799 --> 00:44:30,980 captain soap what would you like for 988 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:32,809 Christmas for the skeptics what is it 989 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:34,490 what's a good Christmas gift for a 990 00:44:39,609 --> 00:44:37,730 skeptic I think every year that I get my 991 00:44:41,799 --> 00:44:39,619 Christmas gift when I think that each 992 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:41,809 year that we are around medical science 993 00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:45,410 progresses more and more and it helps 994 00:44:50,049 --> 00:44:47,180 people like my mother and my sisters 995 00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:50,059 that's pretty damn good and what area 996 00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:51,440 would you like to see progress a bit 997 00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,940 more I mean obviously you've been 998 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:54,319 involved seeing a bit of palliative 999 00:44:57,549 --> 00:44:56,210 beeps a bit of palliative care lately 1000 00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,559 and of course there's laws that are 1001 00:45:01,329 --> 00:44:59,119 around that in Australia and they would 1002 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:01,339 you like to see any legal things change 1003 00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:03,530 in palliative care I mean I know it's 1004 00:45:06,910 --> 00:45:05,270 really tough question I have to think 1005 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:06,920 about that for a lot longer but I'm 1006 00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:10,670 pleased that and this is public 1007 00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:13,220 knowledge now so my sister is is having 1008 00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:16,940 a cancer issue at the moment but if this 1009 00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:18,340 happened to a 1010 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:22,160 30 20 30 years ago her her outlook would 1011 00:45:28,810 --> 00:45:25,510 be grim now it's the outlook is good so 1012 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:28,820 you know what on wood science and 1013 00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:30,650 medicine because you had a scare during 1014 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:33,320 the year but you got through I did I had 1015 00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:35,630 a cancer scare of myself but again 1016 00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:38,060 medical science to the rescue and the 1017 00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:41,060 latest had me I drove you home and and 1018 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:42,710 the thing is the most dangerous thing 1019 00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:44,690 about the operation is getting to and 1020 00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:47,030 from the hospital and you let me drive 1021 00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:49,820 you you idiot I thank you for driving me 1022 00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,140 home a not yet but you know look I was 1023 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:55,760 drunk the whole time frankly I don't 1024 00:45:59,410 --> 00:45:57,650 remember it so I think if I don't 1025 00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:59,420 remember it never happened good next 1026 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:01,430 time I need help me out I'll be sure to 1027 00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:02,810 give you a call you should have been 1028 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:04,460 married when I had the martini glass in 1029 00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:07,850 the waiting room look as I said we're it 1030 00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:09,230 skeptics at the pub but it's not very 1031 00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:10,820 often we get someone coming along and 1032 00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:12,140 not only is perhaps the first time 1033 00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,670 skeptic in the pub girl but someone 1034 00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:15,440 who's only been listening to the skeptic 1035 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:17,390 zone for a few episodes just a couple 1036 00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:19,130 episodes what's your name sir hey Jamie 1037 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:20,750 hey good to have you here Jamie and what 1038 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:22,010 made you decide to come along to 1039 00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:24,410 skeptics in the pub tonight I'm really I 1040 00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,790 want to get more involved with this 1041 00:46:29,590 --> 00:46:27,200 kepta community here in Sydney I 1042 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:29,600 recently moved to Sydney I've been 1043 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:30,890 listening to the skippy scarred the 1044 00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:34,130 universe for quite a while now and then 1045 00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:36,020 I recently started pushing through to 1046 00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:37,270 other things are getting more involved 1047 00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:40,070 online and that kind of thing next year 1048 00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:42,320 I want to get more involved because I'm 1049 00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:45,710 a design student ok and next year i'm 1050 00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:47,060 doing my honours year i want to get more 1051 00:46:52,330 --> 00:46:49,100 involved with science education in the 1052 00:46:54,970 --> 00:46:52,340 public and we have to do quite a major 1053 00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:54,980 project for that yeah and what about the 1054 00:46:59,350 --> 00:46:57,470 you are a skipping stone listener after 1055 00:47:00,850 --> 00:46:59,360 the skipper's guard the universe so I 1056 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:00,860 mean obviously we don't have the budget 1057 00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:02,510 those guys heaven then and they've 1058 00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:04,040 worked together a lot longer what do you 1059 00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,750 make of the show so far and you can be 1060 00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:07,520 honest here I really liked the format 1061 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:09,110 actually it took me one of the episodes 1062 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:11,090 to kind of get used to it I was used to 1063 00:47:15,490 --> 00:47:13,850 little more very kind of um very 1064 00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:15,500 formatted kind of show but I really like 1065 00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:17,630 the way how 1066 00:47:21,999 --> 00:47:19,940 Richard brings all the different kind of 1067 00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,009 people into the show we're from 1068 00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:23,599 different kind of including myself from 1069 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:26,990 time to time from time to time yes yes I 1070 00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:28,250 walked in here today and the first verse 1071 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:30,859 that recognizes Richards oh yeah he's 1072 00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:32,089 out the front with the head out in the 1073 00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:35,150 guitar yeah these Frank Sinatra ballads 1074 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:37,160 well done there a good time and I hope 1075 00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:39,950 you enjoy yourself thanks man oh ok hang 1076 00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:41,630 on hang on the doctor alert I can sense 1077 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:42,980 with my psychic powers that there's 1078 00:47:46,779 --> 00:47:45,170 someone here who spent a lot of time at 1079 00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:46,789 a tertiary institution to get a degree 1080 00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:50,049 who've we got at dr. Brad Makai here 1081 00:47:55,299 --> 00:47:53,630 yeah because he's from Australia's most 1082 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:55,309 embarrassing medical practices or 1083 00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:56,329 something I that wasn't something like 1084 00:48:00,910 --> 00:47:58,970 that yeah great show i love the hidden 1085 00:48:02,529 --> 00:48:00,920 camera work um tell me what do you think 1086 00:48:04,269 --> 00:48:02,539 would be a great present to get a 1087 00:48:05,859 --> 00:48:04,279 skeptic for Christmas I think the 1088 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:05,869 perfect gift would be something that you 1089 00:48:12,609 --> 00:48:07,730 can see into the future something like a 1090 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:12,619 crystal ball television that's an oddly 1091 00:48:17,339 --> 00:48:15,410 shaped crystal balls those plasma sets 1092 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:17,349 are a little bit more like paper yeah 1093 00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:19,250 actually personally what are you hinting 1094 00:48:22,059 --> 00:48:20,569 for this Christmas what are you been 1095 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:22,069 hinting for people to get you have you 1096 00:48:28,059 --> 00:48:24,970 been putting in San I've wanted a 1097 00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:28,069 three-legged rabbit yeah so yeah so 1098 00:48:30,759 --> 00:48:29,390 somebody else can have the lucky 1099 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:30,769 rabbit's foot and I'll just take the 1100 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:33,170 rest of it don't even I can't even get a 1101 00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:36,049 rabbit in Queensland we're not allowed 1102 00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:38,929 yeah you got the skeptic proof fence up 1103 00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,670 there haven't you apparently yeah it's 1104 00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:42,559 so depressing because Bonnie's are the 1105 00:48:48,489 --> 00:48:44,630 cutest right I mean that's that's a 1106 00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:48,499 genuinely known fact peer reviewed yeah 1107 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:50,660 and also you cause a bit of a bit of a 1108 00:48:54,279 --> 00:48:52,249 few earlier in the week when you were on 1109 00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:54,289 ABC radio and Australia you you're 1110 00:48:59,079 --> 00:48:56,209 bad-mouthing the fact that memory has 1111 00:49:01,479 --> 00:48:59,089 got water award has got memory I was 1112 00:49:04,569 --> 00:49:01,489 just explaining the ludicrousness of it 1113 00:49:06,699 --> 00:49:04,579 so there was a fun time talking about 1114 00:49:10,209 --> 00:49:06,709 alternative medicine especially talking 1115 00:49:13,089 --> 00:49:10,219 about wet cupping versus dry coming um 1116 00:49:15,729 --> 00:49:13,099 and so did what I was like it when a 1117 00:49:17,319 --> 00:49:15,739 skeptic comes up against a normal a 1118 00:49:18,969 --> 00:49:17,329 regular crowd that has an encounter the 1119 00:49:20,859 --> 00:49:18,979 sceptical thought before and they bring 1120 00:49:22,419 --> 00:49:20,869 in they go oh I'm Tom taking some 1121 00:49:23,979 --> 00:49:22,429 homeopathy what do you think that will 1122 00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:23,989 do how do you go when you have someone 1123 00:49:27,189 --> 00:49:25,910 who hasn't been exposed to any of the 1124 00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,199 critical thinking about that how do you 1125 00:49:30,759 --> 00:49:28,880 approach it I found it quite interesting 1126 00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:30,769 on the radio we're having people calling 1127 00:49:33,759 --> 00:49:31,670 in about all sorts of different 1128 00:49:35,739 --> 00:49:33,769 alternative therapies and yeah like I 1129 00:49:37,419 --> 00:49:35,749 think my resounding thought at the end 1130 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:37,429 of it was oh my god people actually 1131 00:49:41,769 --> 00:49:40,249 believe this and they're often people 1132 00:49:43,059 --> 00:49:41,779 are just very inquisitive like 1133 00:49:45,569 --> 00:49:43,069 especially they'll ring up about ear 1134 00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:45,579 candling to ask if that really worked 1135 00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:48,140 and when I described as a magic trick 1136 00:49:52,449 --> 00:49:50,630 they everybody was sort of impressed 1137 00:49:54,489 --> 00:49:52,459 with that so yeah I think there's a lot 1138 00:49:56,229 --> 00:49:54,499 of inquisitiveness I think a lot of 1139 00:49:58,419 --> 00:49:56,239 people who do believe in homeopathy 1140 00:49:59,859 --> 00:49:58,429 don't really know what it's about they 1141 00:50:01,179 --> 00:49:59,869 think that there's an active ingredient 1142 00:50:03,489 --> 00:50:01,189 there they think that there's something 1143 00:50:05,169 --> 00:50:03,499 that it's doing for them and when you 1144 00:50:07,329 --> 00:50:05,179 actually explained about water having 1145 00:50:09,309 --> 00:50:07,339 memory and how its diluted and how 1146 00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:09,319 that's apparently meant to make it have 1147 00:50:13,269 --> 00:50:11,900 more power yeah people often scratch 1148 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:13,279 their heads and go I didn't really know 1149 00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:15,410 what that was about at all yeah and it's 1150 00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:17,390 good to just take it easy with them 1151 00:50:20,650 --> 00:50:19,160 because if you take to a confrontational 1152 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:20,660 approach or you may be insult their 1153 00:50:24,249 --> 00:50:22,130 intelligence that's not the way to go is 1154 00:50:26,499 --> 00:50:24,259 it I certainly explained it in the most 1155 00:50:30,729 --> 00:50:26,509 confusing way possible I'll good to make 1156 00:50:33,169 --> 00:50:30,739 them realize how bizarre it was 1157 00:50:34,999 --> 00:50:33,179 yeah we got Jessica singing hi Jessica 1158 00:50:36,949 --> 00:50:35,009 how are you I'm extremely well but I'm 1159 00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,959 very hungry she's one of these shadowy 1160 00:50:44,509 --> 00:50:39,839 puppet master elite of the skeptics 1161 00:50:47,059 --> 00:50:44,519 aren't you oh yeah yeah I I'm happy to 1162 00:50:49,249 --> 00:50:47,069 claim that claim that particular honor 1163 00:50:50,959 --> 00:50:49,259 yes absolutely okay as one of these 1164 00:50:52,339 --> 00:50:50,969 skeptical Illuminati then what do you 1165 00:50:54,949 --> 00:50:52,349 think would make a great Christmas 1166 00:50:57,439 --> 00:50:54,959 present for skeptic oh well a three-year 1167 00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,449 gift subscription to our fabulous 1168 00:51:04,669 --> 00:50:59,819 magazine the skeptic which can be got in 1169 00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:04,679 hard copy and digital version and or 1170 00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:07,559 both no and thinking of skeptics what if 1171 00:51:10,699 --> 00:51:09,059 you did have a Christmas tree won't be a 1172 00:51:12,529 --> 00:51:10,709 skeptical decoration for the Christmas 1173 00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,539 tree I always go for the Shatner's 1174 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:15,119 something to do with shatner picture 1175 00:51:18,949 --> 00:51:17,369 William Shatner with a Santa's hat on 1176 00:51:21,739 --> 00:51:18,959 something but what do you reckon Star 1177 00:51:23,769 --> 00:51:21,749 Wars doctor doctor who surely they've 1178 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:23,779 got doctor who christmas ornaments 1179 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:26,910 guitar dispute really yeah totally 1180 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:29,130 totally yeah good that okay how do you 1181 00:51:33,319 --> 00:51:30,689 normally spend Christmas Day juice but 1182 00:51:34,819 --> 00:51:33,329 do you spend it having a lot of skeptics 1183 00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:34,829 have a lot of arguments some of the 1184 00:51:38,689 --> 00:51:36,420 family on the skit on Christmas Day 1185 00:51:40,999 --> 00:51:38,699 don't they oh no we just drink heavily 1186 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:41,009 oh okay we get together with the family 1187 00:51:47,749 --> 00:51:43,650 and drink heavily and on that note I 1188 00:51:50,059 --> 00:51:47,759 think every skeptic you know it Tim 1189 00:51:54,499 --> 00:51:50,069 mentions drinking white wine in the Sun 1190 00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:54,509 is reduces the most hardened skeptic and 1191 00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:57,390 or atheist to bull a blubbering mess and 1192 00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:59,729 if you can't I just love that song if 1193 00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,079 you can't find that my Christmas 1194 00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:03,119 favorite is Clarence Carter back door 1195 00:52:09,949 --> 00:52:06,630 Santa Tom Jones also did a version of it 1196 00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:09,959 back door Santa it's a great track it's 1197 00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:12,359 true oh look she's gonna be laughing til 1198 00:52:36,289 --> 00:52:33,859 I want to help support the skeptic zone 1199 00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:36,299 and look pretty damn stylish while 1200 00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:39,180 you're about it visit mr. 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Katz origami 1203 00:52:53,439 --> 00:52:49,739 jewelry also on Facebook pendants 1204 00:53:10,730 --> 00:52:53,449 earrings and cufflinks support mr. cat 1205 00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:13,050 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1206 00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:15,220 zone and I must say a big thank you to 1207 00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,700 the skeptic zones voiceover man Jim 1208 00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:20,339 wilshire he's the man who says this 1209 00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,500 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 1210 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:26,079 from Australia for science and reason 1211 00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:29,170 Jim came up from Aubrey he lives down 1212 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,020 there Aubrey he drove up to visit me for 1213 00:53:36,140 --> 00:53:33,760 my birthday which was so nice of him 1214 00:53:39,089 --> 00:53:36,150 really great to see him and he gave me 1215 00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:39,099 he he gave me an interesting present 1216 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:43,359 folks he gave me ah well i'll let you 1217 00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:56,290 listen a sonic screwdriver oh yes not 1218 00:54:01,230 --> 00:53:57,910 just a sonic screwdriver this is 1219 00:54:03,690 --> 00:54:01,240 beautifully made it's a weighty it's 1220 00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:03,700 made out of real metal and it's also a 1221 00:54:11,339 --> 00:54:08,319 TV remote control so I can't wait to 1222 00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:11,349 visit my uh my nephews and nieces I 1223 00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:13,150 won't tell them anything I'll just sort 1224 00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:15,160 of be sitting there and I'll whip out my 1225 00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:24,839 thank you Jim all right you can turn off 1226 00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:30,040 now God there we are powdered down thank 1227 00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:31,630 you Jim will sure what a wonderful 1228 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:33,369 present what a fun present for my 1229 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:35,710 birthday thank you so much coming up on 1230 00:54:39,059 --> 00:54:37,690 next week's show is mentioned before an 1231 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:39,069 interview with Ross pouch from the 1232 00:54:42,809 --> 00:54:40,569 Brisbane skeptics society and what a 1233 00:54:45,059 --> 00:54:42,819 great job they do relatively new group 1234 00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:45,069 they hosted the Australian skeptics 1235 00:54:50,970 --> 00:54:48,430 convention or a month or two back and 1236 00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:50,980 there are more interviews still coming 1237 00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,540 from that convention because may not 1238 00:54:57,089 --> 00:54:54,880 being Maynard running around with this 1239 00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:57,099 microphone got lots of great interviews 1240 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:00,790 and also next week I hope to have on the 1241 00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,250 show representatives of the new podcast 1242 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:05,920 you heard about in the skeptic zone the 1243 00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:09,520 the new European skeptics podcast so 1244 00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,280 that might be very interesting what for 1245 00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:14,319 this week this is Richard soon as I 1246 00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:15,940 wonder if I can do this I want if I get 1247 00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:20,619 a TARDIS cool no TARDIS oh well better 1248 00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:22,900 luck next time signing off from Sydney 1249 00:55:35,579 --> 00:55:31,829 you've been listening to the skeptics 1250 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:35,589 own podcast visit our website at wwc a 1251 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:38,530 petting zoo TV for contacts and archive 1252 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:41,950 of all episodes since 2008 and our 1253 00:55:46,550 --> 00:55:44,650 online store please support the skeptic 1254 00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:46,560 zone by following us on twitter at 1255 00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:49,750 skeptic zone liking us on facebook and 1256 00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:53,380 leaving a review on iTunes you can also 1257 00:55:58,700 --> 00:55:55,540 show your support by subscribing via 1258 00:56:01,500 --> 00:55:58,710 paypal for as little as 99 cents a week 1259 00:56:03,089 --> 00:56:01,510 the skeptic zone is an independent 1260 00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:03,099 production the views and opinions 1261 00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:05,560 expressed on the skeptic zone and not